A probably misguided update:

- I have reasons to believe that Google "crowdsources", at least partially, data gathering for the location provider. If it's true - and I might very well be completely wrong - perhaps there's a way to "force" an improvement!
Gather a bunch of friends, organize one or more treasure hunt/geocaching games around your home/school/office, and have everybody walk around with Maps, WiFi and GPS on. Cons: everybody will seriously drain their batteries. Pros: fun! And if my hunch is right, it might (perhaps after some weeks) improve the location provider by feeding Google all that positional data; and if that turns out not to be the case:it's still nice to have a good time, no? ;)
Again, you can check whether the situation improves with Maps (GPS off). By all means if you try this crazy experiment let me know how it works!

Please do this:
- get home
- turn on screen, WiFi is *not* enabled (due to Location)
- enable WiFi manually, let it connect
- wait 2 minutes
- turn off screen, wait 5/10 minutes
- turn on screen again
- if WiFi is again not reenabled, send a log (*mention the issue in the email*)

I finally updated the FAQ - please reread it, all your gripes are addressed.
(Breece inadvertently switched "enable" for "disable" and vice versa in his last comment - but it doesn't really matter anyway as that's going to change)

@Michael: it's very unlikely. I think the original bug has been "workaround-ed"; but the workaround itself (which is implemented internally as a trigger) might sometimes fail to engage - it'd only be a problem of interaction between the various triggers involved (Night, Schedule, Traffic etc.)
Try to see if you can consistently reproduce the problem with a specific set of JD settings, then I'll hopefully find the bug in JD's logic that fails to activate the workaround.

I increased the timer in v2.0.3 for added safety; if anybody sees the thing happening again (the 3G icon while JD shows a red dot) please lemme know!

Uhm... that's bad!

more precisely? After seconds, or minutes?

Try v2.0.1 and share your findings:
a) same as before (v2.0.0/v1.8.8)
b) sometimes JD correctly disables mobile data, sometimes it doesn't (timing problem)
c) it works magnificently!
d) ...

But - for those who were in the Google Group: how does it compare? Did you prefer the old mailing list way? Or do you think that the added flexibility of UserVoice is worth the increased complexity?

Yep - it turns out *Flash* (zomg!) was crashing my browsers...

@vince: where do you suggest to show the QR code?

Quite some builds since v3.6.6! Development is moving forward fast on several parallel paths; as of v3.7.3, this is the feedback I need:

- AOSP helper (rooted only): if installation failed before, try again - if it fails again send the log and let me know here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-general/suggestions/1053767-aosp-helper-all-you-need-to-know

- LTE-capable phones (only if the AOSP helper installed): http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-feedback/suggestions/2235451-4g-lte-support-

- the new Location is getting fixes and improvements at every build - lemme know if it works better or worse: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-feedback/suggestions/1319595

- MMS problems: *MMS* should work reliably as of v3.7.3 but it's 100% untested, so please share your findings: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-feedback/suggestions/1172191-mms-sending-receiving-not-working

- remotely disable JD via SMS: try it and tell me if it works! http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-feedback/suggestions/2126315-enable-data-if-the-phone-receives-a-sms-with-a-cer

As you probably noticed, the feedback site is getting a bit of a overhaul (to better integrate "normal" support).
One consequence is that the private beta forum is no longer "private", but that's mostly just a formal difference, as it retains its structure, objectives and rules. But now, instead of being a separate entity, the beta forum lives within the main one under the "[BETA] Development" category. Basically everything that is under active research or development (fixes and new features) falls into this category.

One nice side effect is that it'll be easier to move threads in and out of it as bugs are confirmed and then fixed or features agreed upon and then implemented.

This one remains the elected thread to be notified of important new builds and to know how you can help improve JuiceDefender, as from time to time I'll need (lots of) specific feedback from you guys.

Speaking of which:

- I still need more reports from LTE-capable phones - info here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-feedback/suggestions/2235451-4g-lte-support-

- Keep reporting any problem with the AOSP helper here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-general/suggestions/1053767-aosp-helper-all-you-need-to-know

- Location will get some improvement soon enough; please join the discussion and share your opinion here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-feedback/suggestions/1319595

So, v3.6.4 is available. Important stuff to know:

- AOSP helper on CM7 *should* work now. Discussion and feedback here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-general/suggestions/1053767-aosp-helper-all-you-need-to-know - BUT! DANGER! Nexus 1/S owners, beware of this issue: http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=2928 - it seems it's not fixed yet! If you dare testing network mode control, please share your findings!

- LG G2X: if you must have the 'use apn method' setting for JD to work, please re-send the report - data collection is now automated and the hash I'm using is different. Thanks!

- 4G LTE phones (so Verizon and AT&T only, if I'm not mistaken): help me out here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/2235451-4g-lte-support-

- Droid Charge: this is the thread for you guys: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1904635-issue-droid-charge-mobile-data-enable-often-fail

Also: guys! Please don't comment here - use the "here be discussion" thread for, ahem, general discussion!

Hello everybody! I know it's been a loooooong time - sorry! :/
The good news: as you can see from the changelog there's been a lot of progress, and it'll keep coming!
v3.6.3 is an important build because it sports a new AOSP helper that *might* work also on your favorite non-AOSP (but rooted) ROM.
So:
- install v3.6.3, DO NOT TRY AOSP installation yet
- reboot into recovery/use rom manager/etc and do a full nandroid backup (seriously, do it!)
- go ahead and try the AOSP helper installation
- if the installation worked (and JD can control GPS or network mode switching), go to the bottom of the About tab and hit on 'send report' about the AOSP success
- if the installation fails miserably and *makes your device practically unusable* (yeah, it could happen!), nandroid restore then go to the About tab and hit on 'send report' about the FUBARing of your phone; please describe what happened
- in any case ALSO report your results on the general discussion thread ;)

If this works, there's a chance JD will soon be capable of managing LTE (4G); but I'll have to prepare a new IGT first :)

Got a 4G-capable phone? Then I need your help! http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1341575-4g-wimax-issues

On unrelated news, v3.5.0 is out; if you're having troubles with Brightness, go here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1336797-screen-brightness-issues

Thunderbolt folks: your help is needed! http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1635887-issue-htc-thunderbolt-support

I miraculously (fine, it's just a banal caffeine surge hax) managed to make v3.4.7 available for those of you who lamented pernicious problems with the previous build. Also, I'm so beat that finally there's a chance I won't dream of curly braces and logging statements like it's been for the last 3 weeks! Yay!
(I beg for forgiveness in advance in case this build turns out to be even worse than the previous one - I don't really know what I've been doing in the last few hours)

v3.4.5 is out, with some fixes and a *major* overhaul of the Apps trigger - lemme know your thoughts about it: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1682769-the-new-apps-trigger-v3-4-5-

(and keep the feedback about Gingerbread and Brightness coming!)

A brand new build is ready!

*** BEFORE you take v3.4.4 out for a spin: About / Troubleshooting / Remove system package and reboot - or problems might ensue!

- Gingerbread should work (better) - at least for some ROMs. Report back here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1324673-issue-gingerbread-

- Brightness control! Feedback is, as always, treasured: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1336797-screen-brightness

- for other new features (or old gripes), find/create the relevant thread, or here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1061309-here-be-discussion- (yay anarchy!)

And we're back in full swing!
First, be aware that the "unified" changelog is now at http://juicedefender.com/changelog - vote that to be notified of new builds. However the latest private-beta build will still be available at http://latedroid.com/latestdev

Of course this thread is still your go-to source for important announcements ;)
so don't unsubscribe.

And now let's get to business: v3.4.0 needs a lot of testing love. So:

- have root? Try the system package thing and report your findings here http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1508341-system-package-issues

For everything else, use the general discussion thread http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-private-beta/suggestions/1061309-here-be-discussion-

- have problems with data staying disabled? Let me know if this build helps. Try with and without "force disable" for mobile data

- your ROM doesn't support CPU control? Let me know if the new detection algorithm helps (it does at least for stock Nexus S)

- test the new Timeout control (warning: it completely disables the keyguard) and share your findings

v3.3.4beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- several scattered fixes
- German translation

v3.3.3beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed a problem with the API
- “disable” apps now obey the Traffic trigger

v3.3.0dev
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- partial German and French translations to let the translators iron out potential issues in the UI (mainly, strings too long)
(note that the untranslated strings will be often truncated due to issues with GetLocalization)

v3.2.6beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- some changes in Apps trigger logic
- lots of fixes in Apps trigger
- green dot for force-enable apps in icon/widget

EVO/EPIC 4G: Now is the moment to subscribe to the 4G thread if you haven't already:
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-beta/suggestions/1341575-4g-wimax-issues-evo-epic-4g-maybe-some-other-m

Please test throughly the new release (not only fixes, but new features as well!), find bugs, send logs! :)

In case you missed it: translation infrastructure is finally available! If you want to help, see (and vote) this:
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-beta/suggestions/999101-translations
Thanks!

v3.2.5beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- 4G stuff!

v3.2.4beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed things

v3.2.3beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed things

v3.2.2beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- improved “coarse” location detection and training
- explicit backup & restore of settings and locations
- minor UI-related fixes

v3.2.1beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- "fancy" UI theme (give feedback!)
- added "start on clock" to night schedule
- fixed a number of bugs here and there (mostly location (better training hopefully!) and night schedule)

v3.2.0beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed apps not checked after screen off
- fixed configured apps getting reset at switch profile
- added "ignore when screen off" option to apps

v3.1.9beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
major release!
- new UI color scheme
- various other UI tweaks/fixes
- new "adaptive start" for night schedule
- lots of (potentially dangerous - if nothing breaks, awesome) performance improvements
- fixed a bug in Wifi autodisable
- improved (and fixed) location training

v3.1.8beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- added "tablet mode" (probably buggy)
- fixes

v3.1.7beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- tentative fix for Airplane mode/WiFi mixup
- vibrate mode @ night

v3.1.6beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed some FCs
- AOSP helper installation prompt won't show when it surely won't work

v3.1.5beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- many Location fixes

v3.1.3beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- new icons!
- improved widgets, added how-to dialog on widget add
- UI improvements and tweaks
- fixed a bug on AutoSync control
- other minor fixes

Lemme know what you think of the (very partial) redesign on the UI discussion thread!

v3.1.0beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed (hopefully) automatic backup/restore settings
- fixed a potential problem on ooooold Donut
- some more tweaks
- fixed a bug in the Apps trigger

v3.0.8beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- fixed Breece's Bug®
- other minor tweaks and tweaks all around the place

v3.0.6beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev
- some fixes
- re-added charger and timeout
- fixed the multiplier estimate algorithm

Mark @ Latedroid
v3.0.5beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev

- there was a major bug on some rare ROM: fixed

v3.0.4beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev

- fixes :)

v3.0.3beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev

- fixes

v3.0.2beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev

- fixes

@Charles: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70439-juicedefender-beta/suggestions/1294373-jd3-ui-impressions-discussion :)

v3.0.1beta
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev

- minor tweaks
- some UJv3-related fixes
- new build script (again...)

I had to change the build system again - every time Google updates the SDK, it breaks in 15 different places. So there might be weird problems (crashes, I guess) with this release - if that's the case, lemme know!

v3.0.0beta - Stretched thin edition
apk: http://latedroid.com/latestdev

- *completely* revamped UI
- a ton of new features (default profiles, weekend schedules, lots of new customizations)
- improved handling of the WiMax interface
- improved preferences database
- much improved locations database
- Setup is gone (well, not really; the device is queried transparently when needed)
- an immense number of other internal fixes and improvements
- probably a gazillion of new bugs :)

v2.2.1

- minor tweaks

Starting from v2.2.1, there's a separate package for beta builds, so this won't simply update your previous version of JD - it's a different app for Android.

Upon first launch it should prompt you to uninstall "stable" (in your case, it's not really stable). Lemme know if you encounter problems here: http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-general/category/8195-juicedefender-beta

I'll soon post more info about this move.

v2.2.0

- fixed "inverse RDBDE" bug ("Error disabling data" in the log) on HTC Tattoo and maybe others - dear HTC, thanks for being so charming
- minor tweaks

v2.1.9

- fixed RDBDE regression (HTC)
- various other fixes

v2.1.8

- new *experimental* handling of Data<->WiFi interaction: it might work slightly better (possibly *much* better on non-standard Androids such as HTC's or Samsung's) and save a little more juice, OR it might cause lotsa bugs!
- fixed a rare FC
- fixed some bugs with Schedule and Battery
- better "user" toggling management for 3G and WiFI
- Location should now be more "forgiving" (it should get trained more easily)
- very minor UI tweaks

v2.1.7

- a number of fixes
- new 1x1 widget
- UJ included! (time-limited)

Status update!

The short term plan is to get v2.x on the Market as quickly as possible. As you might have noticed, I'm encouraging Market users who experience problems to get the latest beta (often with nasty results :D ) since it's the only upgrade path. One problem with this approach is that the forums got quite messed up; there are often separate discussions about the same issue in the General forum and here.

So, if you want to start a new issue thread, **please do so in the General forum** for the time being - at this point there are many folks who are using v2.x but don't bother joining the beta group.

To make things better for everybody (and less housekeeping for me), PLEASE use the following guidelines when starting new threads:
- the TITLE should be a concise yet exhaustive description of the issue/bug; you should make it so that people with the *same* issue will easily find it and subscribe to it, while people with different issues won't
- the "BODY" should expand on the issue description if possible; ideally with relevant settings configurations and steps to reproduce. If you cannot provide detailed information, leave the body empty; add a comment to the thread instead

Also: there's no going back! It's perfectly reasonable to *temporarily* revert to an older build if you encounter an issue/regression that makes JD unworkable; but please (reproduce and) report the bug first! It won't get magically fixed on its own :)

-----

Lastly, rest assured that the beta group still has its place; as soon as v2 is relatively stable (and on the Market), all the upcoming stuff - starting with a UI overhaul, but there's a lot more - will be extensively discussed (and eventually tested) here.

v2.1.6

- 4G control is now a "full citizen" (almost full-featured as well, but not quite yet)
- yet another massive rewrite of the internals for better detection & handling of all the weirdness that's out there (every ROM has its unique way of dealing with "should-be-standard" Android connectivity commands and events) (this cost some performance penalty... meh)
- hopefully fixed some "user settings overrides" bugs
- a number of tweaks and improvements here and there

v2.1.5
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender215.apk

- Donut FC fix

v2.1.4
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender214.apk

- EVO UI
- landscape mode

v2.1.3
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender213.apk

- EVO, fixes, tweaks (EVO folks, I need more feedback!)

v2.1.2
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender212.apk

- new 2x1 "all-in-one" widget
- EVO stuff, sigh
- performance improvements (blazing fast!)
- more tweaks and cleanup

v2.1.1
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender211.apk

- graphical notification is back - improved!
- EVO stuff (this is getting boring...)
- more fixing of minor "logic" bugs (be on the lookout for those!)
- more tweaks and cleanup

v2.1.0
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender210.apk

- EVO stuff
- some tweaks here and there
- a bit of cleanup

v2.0.9
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender209.apk

- features only available to 1% of the userbase will require 99% of total coding time (Latedroid corollary)
- explanation of the above: many improvements and stuffs in 3G toggling (AOSP)
- more progress on EVO support

v2.0.8
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender208.apk

- always disable 2G only when tethering (AOSP)
- added option to enable 2G only when WiFi is connected (AOSP)
- progress on EVO support

v2.0.7
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender207.apk

- fixed Location-related FCs
- UI tweaks

v2.0.6
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender206.apk

- "old" Timeout *should* be back for Eclair (not tested though)
- "new" Froyo Timeout improvements with HOME key handling
- fix 2.0.5. Setup FC on Desire
- ongoing info gathering for EVO support

v2.0.5 - "JuiceDefender unleashed" edition
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender205.apk

- EXPERIMENTAL support for 4G (it's *very* unlikely it'll actually work)
- reworked Setup - should be much faster (and perhaps more prone to false positives...)
- fixed a major bug with 3G toggling
- Froyo tethering support!
- minor fixes

v2.0.4 - "JuiceDefender mon amour" edition
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender204.apk

- 3G toggling is back! (requires AOSP helper) - with a separate timeout delay ;)
- all-new Timeout control! It *should* work on all devices (please test it throughly!)
- new options to toggle AutoSync on/off with the Schedule, or to just force a Sync when the schedule is fired (it might be useful with certain apps that otherwise fail syncing)
- *experimental* detection of Android's "mobile data" preference
- tweaks everywhere

v2.0.3
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender203.apk

- more fixes
- apps now has two distinct settings for 'enable when visible' and 'enable with service' (use with caution! most apps *DON'T* stop their service when it's done; one that works well is Twitter)

v2.0.2
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender202.apk

- some fixes
- various tweaks (Location and other stuff)

v2.0.1
apk: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender201.apk

- tentative workaround for Sense ROMs bug (aka RDBDE)
- theoretical support for EVO in Setup/connectivity check (but I guess Setup will fail anyway)

v2.0.0 - "Hic sunt leones" edition
apk here: http://latedroid.com/storage/builds/JuiceDefender200.apk

***Highly unstable*** - it WILL crash and stuffs, so exercise caution ;)
- internal reorganization
- performance optimizations (lots!)
- simple notification
- better Location (when it works...)
More info here: http://latedroid.com/blog/renovation-works.html (last paragraph)

v2.0.0 coming soon! (I didn't upload it yet as it's still quite unstable)

Everybody! Try v2.1.4 (url above) and share your findings (it *won't* crash! I swear!)
I was assuming the bug was eventually fixed!

Also, I'm guessing that enabling/disabling WiFi manually will make mobile data come back even when it shouldn't - please confirm.

@Martin: I updated the link first, then it took me a bit to actually upload the release (I had some weird problems with my build script) - loving the tester's eagerness though! :D

@Bycek: generally speaking, it shouldn't be necessary. But with the experimental builds I'm not really careful with cleaning up previous builds' "messes" (e.g. after removing or changing preferences) - so you might occasionally encounter weird bugs until a full reinstall. (Also, sometimes Android itself screws up the update process...)

- Weird errors/warnings in the log: you can safely disregard them in the _experimental_ branch - they're mostly for my own debugging purposes (not really errors)

- schedule had a bug that made it 'stick' occasionally (fixed in 2.0.4), but there might be some more

- please create appropriate threads for *different* bugs! Otherwise I can't keep track of bugs if reports are buried in comments on unrelated threads ;)

@Nikolaj: no, as Android takes care of tearing down the mobile connection when WiFi connects (at least on most devices)

Thanks for feedback (and the good news) guys!!

Yep, the Notification setting has been fixed already, along with a couple of 'silent' FCs.
Keep in mind that the v2 branch is still *very* unstable - I asked you to test it because I needed to know whether the workaround was functional; if you need a 100% working JD, revert back to v1.8.8 (and disable WiFi + Location to avoid the bug), and wait for v2 to be released on the Market (i.e. when it's stable enough); otherwise, feel free to install the experimental builds as they are released (you should then join the beta group if you haven't done so already - http://latedroid.com/beta)

@Nikolaj: JD still enables data even if WiFi connects; so what you see on the widget is normal. (This *might* change in the future)

Martin, can you try disabling both "WiFi" and "Location" in JD, and confirm that in that case v1.8.2 works properly and v1.8.8 does not?